How to make Eastenders watchable once more?

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  • Turn Eastenders against the pregnant of soaps... make it about change & social mobility rather than more than of the same and no appetite

    Sounds like to JY and bingate EE

  • Virtually of this thread is "go rid of characters I don't savour" which doesn't actually address the funadamental issues with the show.

    Shows with emsemble casts like soaps volition e'er accept characters you lot won't be that interested in.

    Irresolute the cast WILL NOT do much for the shows fortunes. We've had tonnes of axings for years, large deaths etc. The outcome is the storylining and producing. Doesn't matter what your actors are doing when it's the same people behind the scenes orchestrating everything.

    I agree with this except for ii characters , Phil and Stacey. The show's pathological demand to have Phil come out on height and have Stacey be the victim no matter how horrible she behaves and treats people is pain the testify - considering to achieve that , other characters have to be thrown under a bus .
    Then you accept structural bts bug that she bear witness either can't see or is unwilling to set up . The inability to move characters forrard existence a big one . Whitney's merry get round with abusive men . Ben and Phil . Cannibalizing old stories for new content , Lucas and Denise a few months ago , Ben and Paul's killer at present .
    Oates and Sen's specific bug , doing to friendship what Bryan Kirkwood did to couples , the random couple generator for plot's sake and sensationalized stories that make no sense , lost all impact or are stretched across any impact to get to Christmas while leaving collateral damage in its mode .

  • Sell information technology off to another station and retcon the past 10 years.

    C4 normally poach BBC shows, but i doubt even they would want this testify.

    Nah, they've already got their own dead soap as well.

    Thankfully it's not soulless like Dead Enders.

    You're welcome.

    Hollyoaks is in a much better place than EE.

  • Honestly I'm convinced the show is in its last days. Despite 'all the money spent on a new set'.

    They just never ever learn from their mistakes, I can't see what could bring back the 37% of the audience who take switched off in the past iv years.
    Janine ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid!

  • Honestly I'1000 convinced the show is in its final days. Despite 'all the money spent on a new set'.

    They just never ever learn from their mistakes, I can't see what could bring dorsum the 37% of the audition who take switched off in the past 4 years.
    Janine ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid!

    It's way more than 37% they have lost. The upshot is, people watch less and less tv at present too, and have less and less reason to watch EE, not helped past the constant drivel.

  • Rewind to Robbie'due south nuptials. Don't kill them off and take it from there. Personally I stopped watching nigh 6 months after they. Dipped in and out for about a year later on that but could never get back in to it

  • Wilmott Chocolate-brown rides into town on a JCB

  • Most of this thread is "get rid of characters I don't savour" which doesn't really address the funadamental issues with the evidence.

    Shows with emsemble casts like soaps volition always have characters y'all won't be that interested in.

    Changing the bandage WILL Not do much for the shows fortunes. We've had tonnes of axings for years, big deaths etc. The event is the storylining and producing. Doesn't matter what your actors are doing when it's the same people behind the scenes orchestrating everything.

    I concur with this except for two characters , Phil and Stacey. The show'due south pathological need to have Phil come up out on top and take Stacey be the victim no matter how horrible she behaves and treats people is pain the show - considering to achieve that , other characters have to be thrown under a omnibus .
    So you have structural bts issues that she show either can't run across or is unwilling to gear up . The disability to move characters frontwards being a big one . Whitney's merry become circular with abusive men . Ben and Phil . Cannibalizing onetime stories for new content , Lucas and Denise a few months ago , Ben and Paul's killer at present .
    Oates and Sen's specific problems , doing to friendship what Bryan Kirkwood did to couples , the random couple generator for plot'south sake and sensationalized stories that make no sense , lost all impact or are stretched beyond any bear on to go to Christmas while leaving collateral harm in its way .

    Right, but everything yous take but said highlights the very point I made, the issue lies with the WRITING and storylining. You can axe Phil and Stacey to solve the problems you lot simply highlighted, but these problems will just then rise again in other characters unless the actual cause is dealt with.

    Don't get me wrong, axing characters is needed sometimes. But axing a character considering they're badly written will non change the bad writing.

  • Rewind to Robbie'south wedding. Don't kill them off and take it from there. Personally I stopped watching about vi months afterward they. Dipped in and out for near a year after that simply could never go back in to it

    Whoops should have been Ronnie's hymeneals

  • About of this thread is "go rid of characters I don't relish" which doesn't really address the funadamental issues with the show.

    Shows with emsemble casts like soaps will always have characters you won't be that interested in.

    Changing the bandage WILL Non exercise much for the shows fortunes. Nosotros've had tonnes of axings for years, big deaths etc. The issue is the storylining and producing. Doesn't matter what your actors are doing when it'southward the same people behind the scenes orchestrating everything.

    I concur with this except for two characters , Phil and Stacey. The evidence's pathological need to have Phil come out on tiptop and have Stacey be the victim no matter how horrible she behaves and treats people is hurting the evidence - because to attain that , other characters have to be thrown under a bus .
    And so you have structural bts issues that she show either tin can't see or is unwilling to set up . The inability to move characters forward beingness a big 1 . Whitney's merry go round with abusive men . Ben and Phil . Cannibalizing old stories for new content , Lucas and Denise a few months ago , Ben and Paul's killer now .
    Oates and Sen's specific issues , doing to friendship what Bryan Kirkwood did to couples , the random couple generator for plot's sake and sensationalized stories that make no sense , lost all impact or are stretched across any impact to become to Christmas while leaving collateral damage in its fashion .

    Correct, just everything yous have but said highlights the very betoken I fabricated, the event lies with the WRITING and storylining. You tin can axe Phil and Stacey to solve the issues you just highlighted, merely these issues will only then rise again in other characters unless the actual cause is dealt with.

    Don't get me wrong, axing characters is needed sometimes. But axing a grapheme because they're desperately written will not alter the bad writing.

    In their cases it would free other characters from existence walking plot devices and salvage them from being sacrificed at the altar of Rex Phil and Saint Stacey . It's not a fix obviously only it would be a start .

  • Almost of this thread is "get rid of characters I don't bask" which doesn't really accost the funadamental issues with the show.

    Shows with emsemble casts like soaps will ever have characters you won't be that interested in.

    Irresolute the cast Will Not practise much for the shows fortunes. We've had tonnes of axings for years, big deaths etc. The issue is the storylining and producing. Doesn't matter what your actors are doing when it's the same people behind the scenes orchestrating everything.

    I concur with this except for two characters , Phil and Stacey. The show'due south pathological need to have Phil come up out on top and have Stacey exist the victim no matter how horrible she behaves and treats people is pain the prove - because to reach that , other characters have to be thrown under a autobus .
    And so y'all have structural bts problems that she prove either can't meet or is unwilling to set . The disability to motion characters forward being a big one . Whitney'due south merry go round with calumniating men . Ben and Phil . Cannibalizing old stories for new content , Lucas and Denise a few months agone , Ben and Paul's killer now .
    Oates and Sen'due south specific issues , doing to friendship what Bryan Kirkwood did to couples , the random couple generator for plot's sake and sensationalized stories that make no sense , lost all impact or are stretched beyond any impact to get to Christmas while leaving collateral damage in its fashion .

    Right, but everything you take just said highlights the very point I made, the issue lies with the WRITING and storylining. Yous can axe Phil and Stacey to solve the issues you just highlighted, but these problems will only so rise over again in other characters unless the bodily cause is dealt with.

    Don't become me incorrect, axing characters is needed sometimes. Only axing a character because they're desperately written volition not change the bad writing.

    In their cases it would free other characters from being walking plot devices and save them from being sacrificed at the altar of King Phil and Saint Stacey . It'south not a fix apparently only information technology would exist a starting time .

    It wouldn't though considering then there would be a "new chantry" to take their place.

  • Most of this thread is "become rid of characters I don't bask" which doesn't really address the funadamental issues with the show.

    Shows with emsemble casts like soaps will always have characters you lot won't be that interested in.

    Changing the cast WILL NOT do much for the shows fortunes. We've had tonnes of axings for years, big deaths etc. The issue is the storylining and producing. Doesn't matter what your actors are doing when it'southward the same people backside the scenes orchestrating everything.

    I agree with this except for ii characters , Phil and Stacey. The prove'southward pathological need to accept Phil come out on pinnacle and take Stacey be the victim no affair how horrible she behaves and treats people is pain the prove - because to achieve that , other characters have to exist thrown nether a bus .
    Then you lot take structural bts problems that she show either can't see or is unwilling to fix . The inability to motion characters forrad being a big one . Whitney's merry go round with abusive men . Ben and Phil . Cannibalizing erstwhile stories for new content , Lucas and Denise a few months agone , Ben and Paul'due south killer now .
    Oates and Sen'south specific issues , doing to friendship what Bryan Kirkwood did to couples , the random couple generator for plot'southward sake and sensationalized stories that make no sense , lost all impact or are stretched across any impact to go to Christmas while leaving collateral harm in its way .

    Right, just everything yous have but said highlights the very signal I fabricated, the issue lies with the WRITING and storylining. You can axe Phil and Stacey to solve the issues you but highlighted, only these issues volition just then rise again in other characters unless the actual cause is dealt with.

    Don't get me wrong, axing characters is needed sometimes. But axing a grapheme because they're badly written will not alter the bad writing.

    In their cases it would complimentary other characters from being walking plot devices and save them from being sacrificed at the chantry of Rex Phil and Saint Stacey . It'southward not a fix apparently but information technology would exist a start .

    It wouldn't though because then at that place would be a "new altar" to take their place.

    Perchance , but for a the time being the writers and producers would take to think exterior their prison box and create new patterns .

  • Honestly I'yard convinced the show is in its last days. Despite 'all the money spent on a new ready'.

    They just never always larn from their mistakes, I tin't see what could bring dorsum the 37% of the audition who have switched off in the past four years.
    Janine ain't gonna cut information technology I'thou afraid!

    Totally how I experience. It is coming across as so desperate, similar a someone knowing they are most to lose a partner, a chore or money and they run circular similar a headless chicken trying to hang on. I find myself cringing just virtually the whole fashion through episodes nowadays. It has the feel of Brookside in its final days :|

  • Axing Danny Dyer would be a proficient start

  • EastEnders below 2m again terminal night

  • EastEnders below 2m once again concluding nighttime

    Maybe considering lots of people had already seen information technology?

  • EastEnders below 2m again last night

    Maybe considering lots of people had already seen it?

    Iplayer doesn't add enough onto the pre-summertime figure to brand it as information technology was ratings-wise. It just shows people, of class from all soaps, only EE, in item, are switching off and at an alarming rate. Ratings were only on ii.7/2.8 for the earlier in the week episodes, and the Friday always rates lower.

    I think if they screw upwards Janine's return, that really could be a major blast in the coffin. September will exist of import in terms of the ratings and futurity though, or fifty-fifty second half of August.

    Would EE be better in a few years to merely sell off the show and make the set a sort of tourist allure like Emmerdale and Corrie take done in spates in the last decade?

  • Honestly I'm convinced the show is in its final days. Despite 'all the coin spent on a new set'.

    They just never ever learn from their mistakes, I can't run into what could bring back the 37% of the audience who take switched off in the by 4 years.
    Janine own't gonna cut information technology I'1000 afraid!

    Totally how I feel. Information technology is coming across as and so desperate, like a someone knowing they are almost to lose a partner, a job or coin and they run round like a headless chicken trying to hang on. I find myself cringing just almost the whole fashion through episodes nowadays. It has the feel of Brookside in its concluding days :|

    Aye, it does actually. As that became, information technology's now very hard to see the signal. What are they trying to communicate? Where are any characters or storylines going, and why? How would you describe EE to a person who'd never heard of it, in a way that they'd want to watch? Information technology's a job beyond me.

    Once you beginning f***ing about with the schedule, people don't bother. Nobody wants to chase a bad soap around various formats. During the hiatus, a lot of regular viewers learned they really didn't miss it - it was a pleasance that it wasn't on. So many more interesting things to actually enjoy.

    Box sets don't work with it - information technology's only not good enough television to sentinel multiple episodes in 1 rampage, and by the time the next batch are released, you've forgotten virtually of the drivel churned out the calendar week before anyhow. Time to give up the ghost. I've watched it but I tin can't call back the majority of developments.

  • EastEnders beneath 2m again last night

    Maybe considering lots of people had already seen it?

    Iplayer doesn't add plenty onto the pre-summer figure to make it as it was ratings-wise. It merely shows people, of course from all soaps, just EE, in item, are switching off and at an alarming rate. Ratings were only on ii.7/2.viii for the earlier in the week episodes, and the Friday always rates lower.

    I call back if they screw up Janine's return, that really could exist a major nail in the coffin. September will be of import in terms of the ratings and hereafter though, or even 2nd half of August.

    Would EE exist meliorate in a few years to but sell off the show and brand the ready a sort of tourist attraction like Emmerdale and Corrie have washed in spates in the terminal decade?

    God, what a prospect. There tin't be that many people who'd desire to schlep out to the arse finish of Hertfordshire, for a expect around a false launderette and a fried chicken store.

  • xTonixxTonix Posts: 54,018

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    Axing Danny Dyer would exist a good start

    Similar it or not Danny is very popular, then he won't be getting axed whatever time soon.

  • dee123dee123 Posts: 43,751

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    Axing Danny Dyer would be a good start

    Like it or not Danny is very popular, then he won't be getting axed whatsoever time soon.

    Alright so, they demand to bite the bullet and impale Phil off. A character like him can't just leave. He's had more than enough years equally a main focus.

  • Axing Danny Dyer would exist a good start

    Similar it or not Danny is very popular, so he won't be getting axed any time soon.

    Alright and then, they need to seize with teeth the bullet and impale Phil off. A character like him can't just leave. He'south had more than than plenty years every bit a master focus.

    I've thought this for years - they could take him getting killed trying to resist arrest (a favourite trick in former blackness & white London based crime moving picture stories in the sixties was for the arrest to be fabricated nigh a railway line, the suspect runs on the tracks, and so perhaps a bullet fired equally a fruitless gesture, and then he sees a appurtenances train coming towards him, an ear-piercing scream, and the detective looking down and saying "embrace him up, sargent").

    If you lot want to brand EE "watchable" again (and I bluntly dispute this is needed, or in Coronation Street come to that), my communication would exist to take a calendar week of Emmerdale including the pointless Thursday double episode. What with teenage boozing, a failing marriage between a harridan and a wimp, demonstrated nigh every calendar week, several killers who either manage to elude the Emmerdale Keystone Cops, till they escape to France, murder victims being buried then dug up again and replanted in a field, this months "mass murderer" beingness a mad nurse whose thought of acting is to gurn at the camera and talk like a spoilt toddler who can't go her own way - y'all well-nigh wait her to stomp her human foot - after that Eastenders will look like Shakespeare.

  • EastEnders below 2m again terminal night

    Maybe because lots of people had already seen information technology?

    Iplayer doesn't add together plenty onto the pre-summer figure to make it as it was ratings-wise. It merely shows people, of form from all soaps, simply EE, in particular, are switching off and at an alarming rate. Ratings were only on 2.seven/ii.eight for the earlier in the calendar week episodes, and the Friday always rates lower.

    I think if they screw upwards Janine's return, that actually could be a major nail in the coffin. September will be important in terms of the ratings and future though, or even second half of August.

    Would EE be better in a few years to just sell off the bear witness and brand the set a sort of tourist allure like Emmerdale and Corrie have done in spates in the last decade?

    God, what a prospect. In that location can't be that many people who'd want to schlep out to the arse cease of Hertfordshire, for a expect around a faux launderette and a fried chicken shop.

    I imagine there will be more people than you expect who would pay to visit the EastEnders set. It did well for ED and Corrie who aren't fifty-fifty in London but somewhere up north.

    You lot've got the queen vic every bit well 😉😉

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    I've been enjoying Eastenders and am really enjoying the storyline between Chelsea and Gray. Probably more the Chantel story line.

  • I've been enjoying Eastenders and am really enjoying the storyline between Chelsea and Greyness. Probably more than the Chantel story line.

    I'one thousand enjoying the pairing, but not sure I'm enjoying the SL every bit I'm struggling to sympathise whether Chelsea is even partially in dearest or just fleecing him...